Grateful Dead Live at Avalon Ballroom on 1967-01-27
- Live concert
- Grateful Dead
- DeadLists Project
AUD C/? cleaned up & patched, 67:40 total time, via Hanno Bunjes & Uli Teute
- 2004-06-02 15:07:17
- AUD > MR > ? > CD
- San Francisco, CA
- Transferred by
- Uli Teute and H.B.
- Avalon Ballroom
Subject: Chck it Out
Subject: Snapshot of history
Subject: 2 minutes in
Silky smooth... why why why did this have to end so soon.
Thank you Archives. Thank you Everyone
My bus came by in 88 in NY and saw every 88-91 show in the area. While I had a blast and there were fantastic great moments- 9-19-90 for example.
I just cant get enough of the choppy gruesome organsmic pigpen- Jerry really had a place in his heart for him. Pig glued this band together. It stuck for a long time. Im sure pigpens death has a lot to do with the longevity of the band. You can see how that gritty trippy innovative progressive rainbow full of sound that the dead produced is evident as early as 66 and as late as 95.
emotionally connected to the dead forever...
Subject: Wrong Date....
Some thoughts about the date:
First, Morning Dew and New Potato Caboose are the same versions as on the 10/22/67 SBD. Hard to believe, but check for yourself! (Some enterprising soul could make a 'matrix' of these...)
Also, Kreutzmann seems to be the only drummer here (he's also the only drummer on 10/22, though Mickey Hart joined on 9/29).
Also, check the Alligator - it's a very long Alligator>Caution that starts with the drum intro we're familiar with; then they dive into the jam after the vocals.
So this has to be after the earlier Alligators which start NOT with drums, but with Jerry's guitar intro: 6/18, 8/4, 9/3, and 9/15. (And also 5/5, which I think is also misdated.) Some of these go into Caution (6/18 & 9/15), some don't (5/5, 8/4, 9/3).
The next Alligators we have (from a fall studio session - perhaps 10/20 - and the 11/10 show) have not only the drum intro, but also a drum solo after the vocals, now that Mickey Hart's in the band.
So I'd say this "Avalon" show must be from sometime in-between 9/15 and 11/10/67...basically late September or October.
It's hard to be more specific though, when we're missing so many pieces of the year, and some of the other shows we have also might be misdated.
EDIT - Listening again, I hear two drummers in the Alligator>Caution. Since it doesn't yet have the drum break after the Alligator verses - BUT, after a few minutes' jamming, they do stop for a drum break while Garcia sings "Alligator runnin' round my door" - I'm pretty certain this is an October '67 show.
This AUD tape is also in pretty poor sound, I admit - along with the 9/15/67 AUD, another recording that was made too far from the stage - but we do get to hear what the Dead sounded like in a theater in '67, very explosive with Pigpen's swirling keyboard very dominant in the sound.
Subject: "." Nonintuitive
Subject: Aged Like A Fine Wine ??
Subject: This is NOT a 1/67 show
Subject: Lots of energy...
To those who say unlistenable, you need to hear more. (Really, there's some serious SHIT out there.)
And to those of you who want to bitch about not being able to download soundboards... please, do all of us a favour, and shut the fuck up. You're ramblings here aren't going to do you a damn bit of good. Enjoy what you get, cause at least they give you that. If they wanted to REALLY piss us off, they could take the soundboards down entirely. So again, shut the fuck up, and enjoy what you get, cause they don't owe us a damn thing, they've done this much out of love.
Sorry to come off as an ass, but DAMN...
Subject: This cannot be January 1967
As for the show, it is good. The sound is poor, though. Yes, it's old, but there are many 1966 shows that sound better.
Subject: Like Opening A Door In Time
This show is kind of like the Seven Samurai in that to enjoy it to its fullest, you must only listen to it once in a huge while. I've listened to this show and thought it was the most exciting music I've ever heard and then I've listened to it the next day and thought it was crap. So, after listening it last night after almost a year, I'm deciding that that's what I'm going to do.
Other thoughts: I love how New Potato Caboose fades out at the end.
Do you think that random guy who opened that mysterious door after left that room?
Subject: Long Live Acid Casualties
Highlights: the entirety of the Viola Lee of course, a song that rarely if ever reached the same heights after '67 (Binghampton 1970 being one arguable exception). The real standout, as is often the case in the pre-TC era, is the fantastic organ work by Pigpen. Check out the laser beam at 5:00 in the New Potato!!!!! The Alligator is blistering. From 8:00 minutes on the band never lets go of the third rail.
I am worried about the previous reviewer. Personally, I don't hear any versions of Ripple in this recording. But that doesn't mean that one isn't there, provided that one's mind is ready to hear it.
Subject: Being There
now for my two cents, and i'm sorry, i know this is annoying...
do you have any idea what i would give to have a website like this where i could stream donovan shows? syd barrett's pink floyd shows? jefferson airplane? arthur lee & love? etc etc...
if the grateful dead owe us anything at all (and of course they don't) they've more than fulfilled their obligation just by recording these shows for posterity...god bless owsley THE HUMAN BE-IN IS ON THIS SITE! ACID TESTS ARE ON THIS SITE! the archive and the grateful dead tapes are a miracle so get happy!
Subject: not bad, not great.
Subject: So much for aud recording
Subject: No reason to complain here....
Subject: Come & get 'em...
I downloaded hundreds of SBDs before the GD pulled all of them, chances are I have one that you want. E-mail me at email@example.com
Subject: I love THE GRATEFUL DEAD
Subject: not bad at all
The Viola Lee is particularly fierce and trippy, preceded by a nice sounding New Potato Caboose.
As for the controversy swelling below, I'm with the guy who wrote "who said the Dead owe you anything?!" Sure, you paid lots to see shows etc., but if you weren't satisfied with what you got for your money, why didn't you simply stop spending it? Was someone forcing you to go to shows?(Of course I realize that the biggest complainers are those who generally sailed into shows on miracle tickets. Grow up, kids: free=paid for by somebody else).
as far as the kvetching below, people just need to relax. there are plenty of places to trade if you are desperately seeking a board of something. since these were uploaded, there are WAY more crispy board seeds out there to trade. the only difference is that one has to get up out of the lay-z-boy, write a letter, make a friend, expand the community.
attitudes like that -- people yelling at bill graham in parking lots about ticket prices, trashing venues because they didn't have tickets, general disrespect combined with an expectation that they are owed something -- sometimes made me embarassed to be a head by guilt of association. but each community has its share of nincompoops.
what we all want to know is, "are you KIND?"
3 stars for history and listenability.
Subject: It's just a Box of Rain.
Subject: err, thanks for putting the collection back up?
Subject: lets talk about the show
Subject: how's the show?
and not all of this stupid petty bitching!
Subject: man, you guys are amazing
You're comparing Derek Trucks, or even Little Feat, to the Dead?? Try getting a free download from the Rolling Stones, or even ONE SINGLE vault release from Pink Floyd.
Show some fucking RESPECT and a little GRATITUDE for the incredible amount of music the Dead gave us live and continues to give us in an ongoing treasure of official releases, much less many months of this archive, you spoiled dickheads.
Who said the Dead owed you a FUCKING THING???
Subject: FUCK THE DEAD!
No offense to the archive. SOrry but I'm pissed.
After all what is left when the authors start taking back the books that make the library?
Subject: The Great Betrayal Continues
Subject: Not a dollar from me untill the shows are back up!
please e-mail me for all the info you have on pulling the shows. Are Mickey, Phil, Bobby, and Bill for it? Are they against it? I know everything about the pulling of the shows, exept the bands views. Please e-mail me if you know anything about the boys opinions.
Subject: This isn't what the Grateful Dead is about....
Love, Light, Happiness,
Subject: Since this seems to be the place . . .
It's been very nice having shows up on archive.org since March 2004. Now the rules have changed. It's unfortunate, but life goes on. The GD was never intended to be a charity, and we were never entitled to anything for free.
Subject: To whom it concerns
But, like everything in life , this is another example of greed.
Furthermore, the remaining band members indeed do need financial assistance due to their talents faultering and whatever bad habits.
Subject: hell yeah
Subject: They missed 11-1-79 & 5-15-70!!!
Plus 6-8-74. Still has 2nd set sbd....
WHOEVER THE FUCK DECIDED TO TAKE EVERYTHING OFF OF ARCHIVE ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES
I'm a little less clear on Viola through Caution since those tunes obviously don't appear on the circulating 10/22. It's possible, though doubtful, that Viola, Cold Rain and Alligator>Caution are from 10/22, since that show is not complete. But more likely, those four songs are from a show much later in the year, since Alligator allegedly didn't appear until Spring 1967, and certainly this 'gator sounds more developed than 5/5 or 6/18. Obviously it's from later in the year, like September/October.
Subject: How unfortunate...
Subject: First Alligator (??)
Subject: sound quality
The show sounds like it was recorded on a cheap hand held mono cassette recorder.
Low rating for sound quality.
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